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On the Minimum Wage
On the Separation of Church and State
On the Second Amendment
On the War on Women
On the Spread of Radical Islam
On White Privilege
On Class Warfare
On “Gay Rights”
On Climate Change
So liberals swear a lot? You know, when you create or share something that stereotypes a group as angry and hateful, you in turn make yourself angry and hateful. Whoever made this is not the epitome of civility, but rather one who contributes to the breaking down of honest and reasonable discussion.
But liberals don’t know how to have honest, reasonable discussion. Plus, they swear a lot. Did you not learn anything from this post?
Mmmmkay. Let me tackle these one at a time here. Warning, long read ahead of you.
Conservative argument #1: We shouldn’t have a minimum wage because it stifles job growth, increases costs, And never fixes the problem. Artificially increasing wages does not solve poverty.
recently published research shows us that modest wage hikes don’t kill growth and jobs at all. The truth is that states that have raised their minimum wage have enjoyed above-average economic growth. The American Sustainable Business Council and Business for a Fair Minimum Wage released a report of a scientific national poll of small business owners. The poll involved a live telephone survey of 555 small business owners, with between 2 and 99 employees each. Respondents spanned the political spectrum, all regions of the country and a broad cross-section of industries. Three out of five small business owners (61 percent) favor raising the minimum wage gradually to $10.10 and then adjusting it annually to keep pace with the cost of living. This new polling data contradicts the oft-repeated claim that raising the minimum wage will kill profits, eliminate jobs and cut growth. Apparently the people doing the hiring and paying the difference don’t agree with those dour predictions. Source
So, let me explain: In order to keep an economy on a good and balanced track, spending powers have to be given to the people who actually spend in the real economy. Consumers have to have the ability to consume the products being produced. Simple enough? This means regular, everyday people. Your average American worker, and not the super wealthy, who more often tend to hoard wealth or invest in financial products, which doesn’t really do much in stimulating an economy….
That is one of the problems with our economy right now. This constantly growing gap between real wages and productivity has mutilated the original relationship between real wages and consumption. So basically, if the output of each worker is increasing, but that worker’s ability to purchase or consume is lagging considerably… then pray tell, how does economic recovery, which relies on growth in spending, sustain itself? This is why minimum wage is actually a very logical idea, and it actually helps STIMULATE the economy and job growth. The more people are able to spend, the more we produce. The more money is made. Everyone is happy, k?
Conservative Argument #2: “When the founders of this country wrote “Congress shall write no law respecting an establishment of religion,” they meant that Congress could not establish a national religion for the country.”
Ok so. Yes. And no? Like. They totally were against any kind of laws or governing based on religious value. You only have to read several quotes by the founding fathers to understand that one of their biggest concerns was the country being controlled or run by religious fanatics. With laws and governing being based on religious ideals. Not only did the founding fathers specifically outline not wanting the US to be religiously affiliated in any way, but they literally talked constantly about desiring a separation of church and state:
“The United States of America have exhibited, perhaps, the first example of governments erected on the simple principles of nature; and if men are now sufficiently enlightened to disabuse themselves of artifice, imposture, hypocrisy, and superstition, they will consider this event as an era in their history. Although the detail of the formation of the American governments is at present little known or regarded either in Europe or in America, it may hereafter become an object of curiosity. It will never be pretended that any persons employed in that service had interviews with the gods, or were in any degree under the influence of Heaven, more than those at work upon ships or houses, or laboring in merchandise or agriculture; it will forever be acknowledged that these governments were contrived merely by the use of reason and the senses.”
~John Adams, “A Defense of the Constitutions of Government of the United States of America” 1787-1788
“The Government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion.”
~1797 Treaty of Tripoli signed by John Adams
Also. That whole “separation of church and state” thing. Yeah, it ain’t in the constitution. It’s simply taken directly from the words of Thomas Jefferson and James Madison themselves:
“I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibit the free exercise thereof, thus building a wall of separation between church and state.” ~Thomas Jefferson, letter to the Baptists of Danbury, Connecticut, 1802
“Because religious belief, or non-belief, is such an important part of every person’s life, freedom of religion affects every individual. State churches that use government power to support themselves and force their views on persons of other faiths undermine all our civil rights. Moreover, state support of the church tends to make the clergy unresponsive to the people and leads to corruption within religion. Erecting the “wall of separation between church and state,” therefore, is absolutely essential in a free society. We have solved … the great and interesting question whether freedom of religion is compatible with order in government and obedience to the laws. And we have experienced the quiet as well as the comfort which results from leaving every one to profess freely and openly those principles of religion which are the inductions of his own reason and the serious convictions of his own inquiries.” ~Thomas Jefferson: in a speech to the Virginia Baptists (1808)
“The civil government … functions with complete success … by the total separation of the Church from the State.”
~James Madison, 1819, Writings, 8:432, quoted from Gene Garman, “Essays In Addition to America’s Real Religion”
“And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.” ~James Madison, letter to Edward Livingston, July 10, 1822
“Strongly guarded as is the separation between Religion and Government in the Constitution of the United States, the danger of encroachment by Ecclesiastical Bodies, may be illustrated by precedents already furnished in their short history.” ~James Madison; Monopolies, Perpetuities, Corporations, Ecclesiastical Endowments
Tell me again that the founding fathers did not intend for the implementation of separation between government and religion? Because I’m pretty positive that is what they meant and you know it. And quite frankly, it’s a few hundred years later. Pretty sure that regardless of how you interpret the constitution, it’s pretty fucked up that this country is largely and dominantly run by Fundamentally Christian politicians. I don’t care who you are, or what religion you follow or don’t follow. Denying people personal and social freedoms based off of religious belief is unconstitutional. Point blank. It should be simple. If they aren’t hurting anyone or causing harm, then why the fuck do you think you have a right to tell them they aren’t allowed to do it just because your religious moral dictates it is wrong? Example: If your religion says birth control is wrong, then you don’t take birth control. Doesn’t mean you get to actively deny others from taking it. Especially if you are supposed to be supplying medical benefits to people and you still decide to cover fucking viagra, but not brith control? Come ON, man. Get your shit together.
Conservative argument #3:
"The constitution guarantees me the right to protect myself if I so choose. Because when seconds count, the cops are only minutes away."
Guess what. Gun control does not automatically mean we’re coming to each and every door and taking all of your weapons away! It means just what it says. CONTROL. As in, reel it the fuck in a bit, would ya? As is, gun laws all over this country are pretty lax, in some places barely existent, or just regularly ignored. While cops are focused way too bloody much on this ridiculous war on drugs, criminals are given easy access to guns and rifles and weapons due to not enough funding going towards hindering that (because money is made off gun production while pharmaceutical companies lose big bucks when the people self medicate). Meaning, ANYONE can find both legal and illegal access to guns, regardless of mental stability, criminal history, or even whether or not you can hold one correctly lol. In other countries, not only do you need to apply for a license and pass a psych evaluation and a background check, but you have to actually take a test and pass it to get your license. You know, the way we do with vehicles in order to make sure people can safely control them and know how to use them? Yeah, that’d be pretty handy if we had that with our handy dandy defense weapons. Also, I fail to see why anyone needs access to extreme assault rifles. But that’s just me. And if you look at the data and research and staggering amount of evidence, gun control DOES, in fact, bring down the amount of gun related deaths and murders, as well as school shootings which we, as a country, are currently pretty damn infamous for. I personally don’t know any balanced liberal or democrat that supports the outright banning of all guns and weapons, so I don’t know what you’re hollering about lol. Gun control does not equal NO GUNS AT ALL.
Conservative Argument #4
"I tend to vote Republican because I believe in individual rights, a small government, minimum taxes, free enterprise, and self-responsibility."
… do I even need to point out the ridiculousness of this argument? Ok one. Most Republicans don’t want production based on social need, whatsoever. Everything is to be produced or created for profit. Whether or not you support capitalism is not a question here. It’s how long can you sustain a strong civilization, based off of profit and want alone? You NEED to have social necessity added into the equation. Production should also be based on needs from society. You cannot call yourself the “land of opportunity” if opportunity is not equally granted to EVERYONE, regardless of race, gender, sexual orientation, or wealth and status. In order to achieve this, social work is a must! Government work is essential. And this strange idea that government is some kind of all controlling evil body that needs to be made tinier and tinier is getting ridiculous. Especially when the reason behind the government sucking is because its controlling body is made up of government officials who DON’T even BELIEVE in the existence of government! We literally have members of government who hate government and want most if not all services to be privatized. Government is made up of your everyday average working citizens: teachers, social workers, fire fighters, cops, construction workers who build our highways, roads, and keep our electricity running, dmvs, ect. Minimum taxes? Okay. Guess you don’t want roads, highways, infrastructure, cops, firefighters, emts, teachers, military and defense, libraries, public education ect. Minimum taxes means minimum resources to everyone, putting the lower class, poor, women and children, on the impoverished side of things, making it hard for them to get a single step forward. Self responsibility? More like every man for himself. I don’t know about you, but I like the idea of living in a constructive, modern and progressive society, one where people have a sense of public responsibility to each other. To giving back to the community, especially one that granted you the resources to rise. I want civilization that thrives on both profit and want, as well as societal needs and value of community responsibility, in order to keep the economy and people well and working, we must work for each other AND ourselves.
"We have to be vigilant when it comes to the spread of radical Islam. Their goal is to replace other cultures with a caliphate and will do anything to achieve it."
… Sounds oddly familiar to a certain big religion in the US. In fact, I’m pretty certain that one of the biggest terrorists of all time, the one behind the extermination of millions… was a Christian fundamentalist… oh and he based his ideas for extermination off of the mass genocide of Native Americans which has been estimated to be well over 95 million lives extinguished, along with a vast culture diminished, swept aside, and the history of its happening not only ignored, but covered up and rewritten, with a phony national holiday “Thanksgiving” created. And there are still Christian terrorists today, partaking in several horrendous acts of terror, such as ongoing US slavery, a product of our extremely flawed incarceration system which functions for profitable means and due to such, the freest country in the world is also the highest incarcerated and largest percentage of people behind bars are African Americans, despite the fact that they make up only 14.1% of our population… But sure. It’s only radical Islamists who are the terrorists here. White Christian men do not ever partake in spreading their religious ideology everywhere and anywhere, destroying, pillaging, and stealing entire lands from indigenous peoples…
Conservative argument #6
"I believe like Martin Luther King Jr. that we should judge a man by the content of his character, not the color of his skin. All men are equal under the law."
Great. Glad you believe that. Now show it. Become an ally to PoC. Stop complaining about affirmative action. Stop derailing social work meant to uphold and spread equality and assist racially oppressed people. Do something about the racist incarceration system in this country, which very much operates on racial bias and prejudice towards African Americans and PoC. Fix our fucked up educational system, which is funding schools based on property value and so totally creates an unjust position of class for Black youth and tips the scales in favor of the wealthy and the white and already well off classes.
Conservative argument #7
"We do not have classes in America. We have what is called economic mobility. You move up or down in life depending on your skill."
Wow. Just. No. That’s the way we wish things operated. But unfortunately no. Jeez. Do I really even have to go into the many forms of marginalization there is? How society is currently hugley tipped in favor of whites? Of males? Of heterosexual, cis gender, neurotypical people? White cis people are a privileged class, who are afforded the most opportunity in this country. More specific, white cis males are majorly the ones in control, with the vast majority of wealth and power and control being in their hands, passed down from generation to generation as well. We have many classes in this country. We have marginalized and oppressed groups who, without any intervention or social work, will continue being disadvantaged and oppressed. Denying the existence of class struggle and oppression is vital to the continuation of it. And if you are going to continue being blissfully ignorant, in denial, and uncaring of oppression in a country that prides itself on opportunity and freedom, then in my opinion, you are woefully and blindly offering a hand in tyranny.
Conservative argument #8
"If an owner of a shop does not want to provide his/her services to a customer because they personally or morally do not agree with the conditions, they have the freedom to deny services."
Well gee, this opens up a big fucking can of worms for people to get away with all sorts of discrimination then. How about I open a store and offer my goods and services, but put a big sign out front that says “NO WHITES, NO CHRISTIANS ALLOWED”. Then I wonder what you’d be saying. Something tells me you would have an issue with it. This is just such a fucking ridiculous and immature argument. “If I don’t like someone, I can kick them out of my business!” Gee, I’ve decided I have a personal belief against mustaches. No men with mustaches allowed in my store! lol I mean, really? You’re not allowed to discriminate against people. Omgosh what an awful thing? How will I continue being a dick to people whose lifestyle I don’t understand if I’m forced to be a civil human being to them? MY RIGHTS ARE BEING STOMPED ON HERE.
Conservative argument #9
"There is plenty of scientific data and evidence to support that man made global warming is not occurring as once predicted. It has become a political issue aimed at taxation and regulation."
I don’t even. This one seriously irritates me lol. Literally all scientific evidence and data points to climate changes and human beings ongoing effects upon it! Holy shit what scientific data are you reading, dude?
Since 2001, 34 national science academies, three regional academies, and both the international InterAcademy Council and International Council of Academies of Engineering and Technological Sciences have made formal declarations confirming human induced global warming and urging nations to reduce emissions of greenhouse gases.
Through a single organisation, between 2002 and 2010, conservative billionaires secretly donated nearly $120 million (£77 million) to more than 100 organizations seeking to cast doubt on the science behind climate change.
Gee, I wonder why. Could it be that all they care about is money and profit? And not the environment or the people or future they’re effecting. Hmm.
The Obamacare argument….
Tbh, I’m gonna go ahead and admit that I am on the fence about this one. Although I don’t want it repealed because it has helped so many, I will admit that I see how companies are now less likely to offer full time due to not wanting to be forced to provide health insurance and benefits because it can be costly. It’s already been happening to me and everyone in my area of living… But tbh, I don’t know a whole lot about it and I’m not going to pretend I do. So I currently don’t have an informed opinion on this topic. What I would like is a Universal system but there was no way that Republicans were ever gonna go for that. So I don’t know. Maybe someone else can add on to this part who knows more than I do.